Comments for ad orientem vergere http://en.krishna.deltoso.net by Krishna Del Toso Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:30:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 Comment on ♦ What is the *Paramārthanyāyagīti of Saraha? by krishna http://en.krishna.deltoso.net/what-is-the-paramarthanyayagiti-of-saraha/comment-page-1/#comment-28993 krishna Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:30:11 +0000 http://en.krishna.deltoso.net/?p=990#comment-28993 Hi Per, thanks for commenting! After having written you back via mail, here I add that on the basis of the MRP colophon, according to which the learned Atīśa asked the Ceylonese teacher dGe-bsñed-mgon-po (*Upāsakanātha?) for a copy of the MRP, I suspect that the text was already "constituted" and well-known during Atīśa's epoch. However, the presence in it of quotations from works probably written not before the end of the 9th, beginning of the 10th century, suggests to me that the MRP could have seen the light in the first decades - or around the middle - of the 10th century. We would have, thus, a likely span of more or less 60/80 years for the divulgation of the MRP, before Atīśa's request. :-) k Hi Per,

thanks for commenting! After having written you back via mail, here I add that on the basis of the MRP colophon, according to which the learned Atīśa asked the Ceylonese teacher dGe-bsñed-mgon-po (*Upāsakanātha?) for a copy of the MRP, I suspect that the text was already “constituted” and well-known during Atīśa’s epoch. However, the presence in it of quotations from works probably written not before the end of the 9th, beginning of the 10th century, suggests to me that the MRP could have seen the light in the first decades – or around the middle – of the 10th century. We would have, thus, a likely span of more or less 60/80 years for the divulgation of the MRP, before Atīśa’s request.
:-) k

]]> Comment on ♦ What is the *Paramārthanyāyagīti of Saraha? by Per http://en.krishna.deltoso.net/what-is-the-paramarthanyayagiti-of-saraha/comment-page-1/#comment-28960 Per Tue, 28 Feb 2012 23:50:28 +0000 http://en.krishna.deltoso.net/?p=990#comment-28960 Hi Krishna Now first I saw - and answered- your email. Happy that we agree, it is in the laboratory of Atisha and his disciple Tshul-khrims rgyal-ba around 1047-48 AD. (also my idea way back) who "invented" this work by excerpting from TJ and other works. Now the latest development (I am unfortunately not always following the exciting discussion : Krasser now lately think (and you too?) that MRP is an independent work, made by someone in the 9th cent. and consequently brought along to Tibet by Atisha. If so, MRP at the time of its origin must have been borrowing heavily from TJ. Hi Krishna

Now first I saw – and answered- your email. Happy that we agree, it is in the laboratory of Atisha and his disciple Tshul-khrims rgyal-ba around 1047-48 AD. (also my idea way back) who “invented” this work by excerpting from TJ and other works.

Now the latest development (I am unfortunately not always following the exciting discussion : Krasser now lately think (and you too?) that MRP is an independent work, made by someone in the 9th cent. and consequently brought along to Tibet by Atisha. If so, MRP at the time of its origin must have been borrowing heavily from TJ.

]]> Comment on ♦ What is the *Paramārthanyāyagīti of Saraha? by ♦ Madhyamakaratnapradīpa: an untraced quotation debating cittamātra from a Candrakīrtipāda’s work | ad orientem vergere http://en.krishna.deltoso.net/what-is-the-paramarthanyayagiti-of-saraha/comment-page-1/#comment-25382 ♦ Madhyamakaratnapradīpa: an untraced quotation debating cittamātra from a Candrakīrtipāda’s work | ad orientem vergere Fri, 06 Jan 2012 14:06:11 +0000 http://en.krishna.deltoso.net/?p=990#comment-25382 [...] the 7th chapter of the Madhyamakaratnapradīpa, a work traditionally attributed to Bhāviveka, while discussing some fundamental concepts of the cittamātra doctrine, the author [...] [...] the 7th chapter of the Madhyamakaratnapradīpa, a work traditionally attributed to Bhāviveka, while discussing some fundamental concepts of the cittamātra doctrine, the author [...]

]]> Comment on ♦ What is the *Paramārthanyāyagīti of Saraha? by krishna http://en.krishna.deltoso.net/what-is-the-paramarthanyayagiti-of-saraha/comment-page-1/#comment-23465 krishna Mon, 12 Dec 2011 10:41:37 +0000 http://en.krishna.deltoso.net/?p=990#comment-23465 Hi Per! Thanks for this comment. Indeed, large parts of the MRP are nothing but quotations reported verbatim from the TJ (at present, for instance, I'm reading MRP ch.2 - actually, I'm trying to read, cause I don't have so much time -, whose first folios is almost identical to a long section of TJ ad MHK 9.19). Moreover, I must confess that during these last months, after having reflected with more accuracy on the above discussion between Joy and me, and after having consequently checked with deeper attention the uniqueness, position and contents of the Dohākośagīti quotation referred to in the MRP, I came to the conclusion that this citation is with all probability - but of course without any definitive centainty - a later interpolation (added to a text whose first "draft", in my opinion, could be dated around the 9th century), inserted in the text by someone who belonged to Maitrīpa's legacy, maybe by Atīśa's disciple TSHul-khrims-rgyal-ba. And this undoubtedly concurs to corroborate your position. Moreover, and if possible, it would be nice to know where your "footnote somewhere" was published :-) k Hi Per!
Thanks for this comment. Indeed, large parts of the MRP are nothing but quotations reported verbatim from the TJ (at present, for instance, I’m reading MRP ch.2 – actually, I’m trying to read, cause I don’t have so much time -, whose first folios is almost identical to a long section of TJ ad MHK 9.19). Moreover, I must confess that during these last months, after having reflected with more accuracy on the above discussion between Joy and me, and after having consequently checked with deeper attention the uniqueness, position and contents of the Dohākośagīti quotation referred to in the MRP, I came to the conclusion that this citation is with all probability – but of course without any definitive centainty – a later interpolation (added to a text whose first “draft”, in my opinion, could be dated around the 9th century), inserted in the text by someone who belonged to Maitrīpa’s legacy, maybe by Atīśa’s disciple TSHul-khrims-rgyal-ba. And this undoubtedly concurs to corroborate your position.
Moreover, and if possible, it would be nice to know where your “footnote somewhere” was published :-)
k

]]> Comment on ♦ What is the *Paramārthanyāyagīti of Saraha? by Per http://en.krishna.deltoso.net/what-is-the-paramarthanyayagiti-of-saraha/comment-page-1/#comment-23462 Per Mon, 12 Dec 2011 09:49:39 +0000 http://en.krishna.deltoso.net/?p=990#comment-23462 Hi On the ongoing and long discussiuon of MHK, and MRP and the two Bhavya/Bhavaviveka-s. Indeed, I remember long ago, and mentioned it in a footnote somewhere, that MRP to a large extent is excerpted from TJ and that MRP (only surviving in Tibetan) in the end is a product pasted together during Atisha's time. Hi
On the ongoing and long discussiuon of MHK, and MRP and the two Bhavya/Bhavaviveka-s. Indeed, I remember long ago, and mentioned it in a footnote somewhere, that MRP to a large extent is excerpted from TJ and that MRP (only surviving in Tibetan) in the end is a product pasted together during Atisha’s time.

]]> Comment on ♦ A new tool for monitorizing how many people come across this blog and from where by krishna http://en.krishna.deltoso.net/a-new-tool-for-monitorizing-how-many-people-come-across-this-blog-and-from-where/comment-page-1/#comment-22157 krishna Fri, 25 Nov 2011 08:14:18 +0000 http://en.krishna.deltoso.net/?p=1096#comment-22157 Hi Elisa! Of course it is not said that the countries listed in the window indicate the actual living place of the followers of this blog. It may also be the case - as is your case, I suppose :-) - that someone checks one or more among my posts from a research center, university, etc., where s/he is temporarily studying, teaching, etc. :-) k Hi Elisa!

Of course it is not said that the countries listed in the window indicate the actual living place of the followers of this blog. It may also be the case – as is your case, I suppose :-) – that someone checks one or more among my posts from a research center, university, etc., where s/he is temporarily studying, teaching, etc.

:-) k

]]> Comment on ♦ A new tool for monitorizing how many people come across this blog and from where by elisa freschi http://en.krishna.deltoso.net/a-new-tool-for-monitorizing-how-many-people-come-across-this-blog-and-from-where/comment-page-1/#comment-22126 elisa freschi Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:09:51 +0000 http://en.krishna.deltoso.net/?p=1096#comment-22126 I'm the austrian visitor! I’m the austrian visitor!

]]> Comment on ♦ Again on Mūlamadhyamakakārikā VIII, 4 (in brief) by ♦ To conclude on Mūlamadhyamakakārika VIII, 4: philosophical notes | ad orientem vergere http://en.krishna.deltoso.net/again-on-mulamadhyamakakarika-viii-4-in-brief/comment-page-1/#comment-21163 ♦ To conclude on Mūlamadhyamakakārika VIII, 4: philosophical notes | ad orientem vergere Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:20:39 +0000 http://en.krishna.deltoso.net/?p=778#comment-21163 [...] a previous post I have taken into consideration Nāgārjuna’s Mūlamadhyamakakārikā VIII, 4 in its Sanskrit and [...] [...] a previous post I have taken into consideration Nāgārjuna’s Mūlamadhyamakakārikā VIII, 4 in its Sanskrit and [...]

]]> Comment on ♦ The Fifth International Vedic Workshop by krishna http://en.krishna.deltoso.net/the_fifth_international_vedic_workshop/comment-page-1/#comment-20366 krishna Mon, 31 Oct 2011 11:44:38 +0000 http://en.krishna.deltoso.net/?p=1022#comment-20366 Hi Susana, unfortunately I was not there. However you can write to Mr. Alexis Pinchard for more informations. Please follow this link: http://cnrs.academia.edu/AlexisPinchard. Yours, :-) k Hi Susana,

unfortunately I was not there. However you can write to Mr. Alexis Pinchard for more informations. Please follow this link: http://cnrs.academia.edu/AlexisPinchard.

Yours, :-) k

]]> Comment on ♦ The Fifth International Vedic Workshop by Susana Ulrich-Alvarez Ulloa http://en.krishna.deltoso.net/the_fifth_international_vedic_workshop/comment-page-1/#comment-20309 Susana Ulrich-Alvarez Ulloa Sun, 30 Oct 2011 18:52:30 +0000 http://en.krishna.deltoso.net/?p=1022#comment-20309 Is it possible to receive the papers used at the Vedic Conference? I would be very interested. Thanks, Susana Is it possible to receive the papers used at the Vedic Conference?
I would be very interested.
Thanks,

Susana

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